19 January 2019 @ 03:46 pm
Gotham City Map  


[personal profile] feurioo's comment on S5E3, with the map screenshot, has got me thinking about Gotham territory.

I found this map http://i.imgur.com/u1ZHN.jpg (I'm not gonna embed it because it's huge, but reducing the size would make the text illegible) which looks to be reasonably in line with what we've seen for the show.

I might try and add No Man's Land territories onto that, for my own amusement, and to try and work out who logically controls what resources.

It's at least answered my question of, who's in Wayne Manor - I didn't even realise that WM was located on the main land! Also, does this indicate that only the bridges to the mainland were destroyed, and the smaller ones between North, Main and South are still intact? Surely those would be serious choke-points in terms of defence or conflict?

PS the river totally is called Gotham River, haha.

[EDIT] So I used the above map as a base and then referenced with the glimpses we see of the map in S5 and added (roughly) territory in white, and place names/landmarks in yellow. It is VERY rough (sorry) but hopefully it gives an idea of locations. I'm still not sure where Wayne Manor or The Narrows actually ARE in Gotham TV because they don't appear (legibly) on the TV map. But there's some interesting stuff on there, notably there are loads of tunnels to the mainland that nobody seems to be trying to get through including one leading off from the Green Zone?!

Also, I didn't realise Arkham and Blackgate are both on their own little islands. I bet they're fun places to be right now.

Also, I am still not sure where the Dark Zone actually is? I'm trying to recall where they have to go through to get there... I'm thinking logically it has to be north, which would make sense as Wayne Manor (on the map I used as a base) is north, and it apparently was the 'posh area'. Also, Jeremiah is holed up in 'Hotel North' apparently, so. On-the-nose name, there. Also the Soothsayers were in the abandoned waterworks in the docks in Granton, which I'm assuming corresponds to 'Grant' on the map I used.

Map is here (apologies it's ugly): https://i.imgur.com/f9YT91w.jpg


 
 
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sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 19th, 2019 04:42 pm (UTC)
Thanks for that! I was always wondering who's got the Narrows now.
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sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 19th, 2019 04:55 pm (UTC)
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 19th, 2019 09:29 pm (UTC)
LOL I have literally spent the past hour or so cross referencing screen grabs like this to try and cobble together a rough map for location... it's really tricky because the map changes even within the TV show?! Like, the map you linked below (the Reddit one, from earlier in the show I presume - I don't recall it) is not the same as the 'territory' map we keep catching glimpses of now. Robinson Park/Robinson Park South has apparently been renamed from Jackson Park/Gotham City Park during the course of the show. Plus, The Narrows don't actually appear on any Gotham TV map..? Unless I'm missing it because there are no really clear images!

I've tried to fudge a basic layout map and I'll link it in the main post!
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 19th, 2019 10:20 pm (UTC)
Yeah, still wondering where the Narrows are supposed to be. :/

Potentially interesting: The closeness of Oswald's territory to Blackgate Isle. If they truly wanted to paint him as a wannabe-dictator, they should have simply let him use prison labor. Then again, some viewers might have found that acceptable.
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 20th, 2019 12:06 pm (UTC)
I'm assuming that they're in the place stated on that map..? But... I'm not entirely sure. Or sure about where Wayne Manor is (but it does make sense that it's on the mainland, otherwise it'd get raided after the blackout, and we'd surely hear about that?)

Yes! I'm so wondering what is happening in Blackgate and Arkham and why nobody seems to have claimed those as territory. And yeah, I guess enslaving 'criminals' doesn't have the same emotional impact as using 'innocent citizens' :\
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 20th, 2019 04:04 pm (UTC)
I meant where the Narrows are supposed to be on that other map I posted below. I like its location on your map, but there's nothing comparable in the other one. And, yep, didn't even think about Wayne Manor being on the mainland!

Maybe somebody claimed Arkham and Blackgate, and we just don't know it yet? I still find it weird that Scarecrow is the only one of the minor baddie characters we've seen so far. TPTB probably has something in store for him, right?
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 23rd, 2019 05:03 pm (UTC)
Well, judging by that map, I'd say probably around the same location, as The Bowery I think I read was the 'bad area' in older Gotham canon (and Crime Alley sounds pretty self evident!) Wayne Manor's top right mainland on that one, though. I'd love a definitive map.

I hope they introduce Arkham and Blackgate. I didn't even realise they were both on separate little islands before I saw these maps.

I imagine TPTB have something in store for every character, although I'm imagining that some (like Freeze and Firefly) might only get minor screentime.
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 19th, 2019 05:49 pm (UTC)
Adding from my Google search:

- This map seems to come fairly close to the map on the show.

- Reddit thread: Map of Gotham City, from the TV show "Gotham" (including a couple of interesting links)
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 19th, 2019 09:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you for all these links! OMG that first one you linked here - that totally has to be what they based the TV show one off, you're right, it's so close! I wish I'd based on that instead of the other one I did, but ah well. I'm giving up now because I'm tired :p
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 24th, 2019 07:51 pm (UTC)
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Jim shows were the Soothsayers are on the map!!!!!

Unbenannt

JIM: Boy said The Soothsayers are here. That means we have to pass through Sirens territory, but it's only three or four miles from then on.

HARVEY: Three or four miles into the Dark Zone? God only knows what's out there.


Which leads me to assume that "Dark Zone" is referring to literally anything that's dark (= not somebody's territory) on the map.

Another quote that seems to support this take:

JIM: Will broke free from his restraints last night and walked nine miles through the Dark Zone to find us.


In the first quote, they say that three our four miles lie between the Sirens' territory and the Soothsayer's operation. In the second quote, they seem to have added four or five miles to little Will's journey, which implies that the GCPD territory must also be surrounded by the Dark Zone.

Edited 2019-01-24 08:24 pm (UTC)
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 24th, 2019 08:27 pm (UTC)
OH, OK YES :D This makes sense! And totally yes, the Dark Zone must be referring to the dark bits on the map, you're a genius! I totally missed him pointing to that.

I'm just getting confused because they're recycling names but moving them to different places than older Gotham incarnations.

I really want to draw out an actual map... but I'm lazy... and don't have free time.

Where do you think Ivy is? She's in 'the park' so is that Robinson Park? And what's the house she's in? I'm really bad at recognising locations too.

"which implies that the GCPD territory must also be surrounded by the Dark Zone."
Which it totally is, if you look at the map screenshot. You've cracked it!

Edited 2019-01-24 08:30 pm (UTC)
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 24th, 2019 08:36 pm (UTC)
What's weird, though: We have this scene with the trucks and Harvey telling everybody that they're now entering the Dark Zone. If everything dark on the map was the Dark Zone, they'd technically already gone into it when they tried to get to the chopper in 5x01. Unless, of course, it was the main point of 5x02 to establish the Dark Zone as a thing and that's why nobody talked about it in 5x01.

From where I'm currently at in the episode (the beginning, lol), it seems to be Robinson Park. At least, Bruce passes a sign that looks like it ends in -on. No idea re: the house.
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 24th, 2019 08:40 pm (UTC)
Perhaps, regarding the chopper, it was within the Dark Zone, but since it was clearly still quite near to the GCPD territory, it was just on the border rather than ~deep in the Dark Zone~ (I mean, three miles seems hardly that deep, but I guess it is when you're having arrows shot at you...)

Bloody hell, you are observant! :D So, I wanna know whose the house was...
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 24th, 2019 10:14 pm (UTC)
I doubt it was anyone's house. That room in which Ivy is captured seems to have a fountain or something. To me, it doesn't look like something you'd find in an ordinary house.



Edited 2019-01-24 10:31 pm (UTC)
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on February 3rd, 2019 01:32 pm (UTC)
Mmm, no, you're right. I was picturing it as a large house (Wayne Manor type) with a big conservatory/greenhouse type thing, with the fountain in it? But now it's been established she's in the park... I'm not sure.
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 25th, 2019 11:23 pm (UTC)
1. Pretty sure I'll make an attempt at a map this weekend.

2. A new location in 5x04: A building in the northeast corner of Harlow Park.
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 27th, 2019 11:49 am (UTC)
My attempt at a map is here. I also tried to include Ed and the locations where he woke up. But it's all a bit rough.

Didn't include Zsasz's location in 5x04 or Jeremiah's location in 5x03 because there were no good indicators for them on the map.
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on January 28th, 2019 09:01 pm (UTC)
That is a fabulous map. And I really wanna say The Narrows are where The Bowery is on that map.
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on January 29th, 2019 04:33 pm (UTC)
I think what confuses me about that assumption is 1) I thought the posh area was up north and 2) the relative closeness to "Rogers Yacht Basin".

I'd also assume it to be closer to the Sirens club.
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on February 3rd, 2019 02:01 pm (UTC)
1) Yeah, me too... I'm confused by the apparently conflicting nature of canon maps from different time periods/versions of Gotham comics(?)
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on February 1st, 2019 11:04 pm (UTC)
Since we've been talking a bit about show locations...

siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on February 3rd, 2019 02:16 pm (UTC)
You are so observant I am actually awestruck.

So... is this the same location, or are they just being lazy regarding sets and hoping nobody notices? :p
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on February 3rd, 2019 04:21 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not that observant. There's a lot of stuff in s4 I never noticed before someone else pointed it out to me.

Since it was a location without any particular significance in s4, it could technically be the same place.
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on April 9th, 2019 08:26 pm (UTC)
Another reference


Full Size

Don't ask me which ep this was.
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on April 15th, 2019 06:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Another reference
OH I noticed this in the episode! It's Harvey looking at it? I'm pretty sure it stood out to me because of his really interesting pronounciation of 'Coventry' lol. Nice one on getting the screencap though :D It really does look as if they're going from several different map versions on the show though and hoping nobody notices...
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on April 16th, 2019 07:55 am (UTC)
Re: Another reference
This isn't an s5 screencap. Should be Harv and Jim looking at a map, but don't ask me which episode it's from. I got it from a screencap gallery that sadly isn't online anymore.

Before I forget, important changes in the map:

- City Hall isn't located in the City Hall district. Instead, it's above Chinatown. This presents a change to the s5 maps in which Oswald's territory includes City Hall.

- The GCPD isn't on the map.

Edited 2019-04-16 08:04 am (UTC)
siyamau[personal profile] siyamau on April 16th, 2019 01:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Another reference
Oh - in that case, I noticed another clear map shot in perhaps S5 E9..? It was Harvey looking at a map, anyhow. If I notice on a rewatch I'll take a screen cap.

Ahaha god... why do these inconsistencies entertain me so much? Like, they're obviously just mistakes because they don't expect people to notice (I mean, are they AWARE of fandom?!) but even so, it's fun to think it means something...
sad voice freaky clown[personal profile] feurioo on April 16th, 2019 07:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Another reference
I posted a comparison pic in the episode discussion post:



I don't think Gotham is that kind of show that attracts a large fandom dissecting each and every small detail considering that there are relatively little clue-worthy mysteries. The show is already batshit insane as it is and fandom speculations often seem to make a lot more sense to me than canon.

Other than that, by now, pretty sure everyone is aware of fandom. But why should they care?